"No one knows what journalism is nowadays. it's kind of just a habit of things that have been done." Nice :-)
6 days, 16 hours ago.
12 comments so far
I think journalism has been defined by the scarcity of access to
the channels, everything else (journalistic ethics, practices,
education, etc) is based on that historical condition. This has
know changed. Thus, the current identity crisis of the
profession.
I agree. I read several US-based journalism blogs and it's
incredible how resistant to change many journalists are. That being
said, Lunch 2.0.nl (which I organize) was at the publisher IDG
yesterday and they're doing some interesting stuff with crowd
sourcing (Zoom.nl is 90% crowdsourced).
@pr1001 no, I'm not
joking. I don't recognize identity crisis in my own work. Some
journos may feel some sort of crisis, but that's pretty much their
problem. Journalistic organizations and journos not capable to
renew are going to be obsolete, but that happens all the time.
Thanks for the urls, those are not on my reading list, will have a
look.
@Jere thanks for the
accolade. Don't know about shaping things... I guess working in the
ict press could give me some sort of head start with these
things.
Should we separate journalism and tools in this discussion?
Internet is delivery channel. The "crowd" has always been a
"source" (Crowd sourcing). Post deliver by 1) walking or boat 2)
horseback and carriage 3) smoke signals (signaling) 4) By engine,
train, car, airplane 5) radio, phone, telex, telefax 6) Internet.
The web is replacing paper. But there will be good and bad
journalists, modern and traditional journos in the future as well.
What has really changed? There are more opportunities (technology
has empowered) and probably more competition. But the web is also
adding the number of information consumers. The market is
increasing and changing. Where is the limit? Time per day each
individual can spend to consume information.
@visualradio I think
it's important to recognize that the Internet is also becoming a
place for doing journalism. Seeing it as only a delivery channel
misesses that.
@karde Well, it's not a
crisis for you but it definitely is for many 'traditional'
journalists and news outlets, as they struggle (even refuse!) to
adapt to the internet.
On a slightly different note, I attended the Colophon magazine
conference (www.colophon2007.com) last year and it was interesting
how the participants patted themselves on the back for resisting
the internet (many barely had websites) and putting out expensive
(and gorgeous) magazines in print. I wonder if all breaking news
will completely migrate online – since it is so much faster,
cheaper and easier to disseminate news that way – and print will
be exclusively used for 'luxury' media such expensive art
magazines. I guess the continued success of tabloids would argue
against this...
I think the luxurization (is that an actual word?) of magazines
is a trend. Look at the Monocle: it's actually a book more than a
magazine. OTOH, they have pretty good site, too...
@karde I think you're
right, though people who are openly elitist about it rub me the
wrong way. I mean, while things are moving in that direction, I
think it's unimaginative to just throw up your hands and declare
that you don't want to sell more than 5000 copies per issue ever or
have an (expensive) Apple ad – all things people said at the
conference. I wouldn't exactly count Monocle in that group...
12 comments so far
I think journalism has been defined by the scarcity of access to the channels, everything else (journalistic ethics, practices, education, etc) is based on that historical condition. This has know changed. Thus, the current identity crisis of the profession.
6 days, 16 hours ago by Jere.
I agree. I read several US-based journalism blogs and it's incredible how resistant to change many journalists are. That being said, Lunch 2.0.nl (which I organize) was at the publisher IDG yesterday and they're doing some interesting stuff with crowd sourcing (Zoom.nl is 90% crowdsourced).
6 days, 16 hours ago by pr1001.
What identity crisis?
6 days, 15 hours ago by Karde.
@Karde, are you joking? If not, I would suggest following what these guys are reporting: - http://commonsensej.blogspot.com/ - http://ryansholin.com/ - http://paulconley.blogspot.com/
6 days, 14 hours ago by pr1001.
Well, @karde is one of the people who are shaping the new paradigm. Guess you never were too attached to the old school doctrines anyway?
4 days, 15 hours ago by Jere.
Ahh, cool!
4 days, 15 hours ago by pr1001.
@pr1001 no, I'm not joking. I don't recognize identity crisis in my own work. Some journos may feel some sort of crisis, but that's pretty much their problem. Journalistic organizations and journos not capable to renew are going to be obsolete, but that happens all the time. Thanks for the urls, those are not on my reading list, will have a look.
@Jere thanks for the accolade. Don't know about shaping things... I guess working in the ict press could give me some sort of head start with these things.
4 days, 15 hours ago by Karde.
Should we separate journalism and tools in this discussion? Internet is delivery channel. The "crowd" has always been a "source" (Crowd sourcing). Post deliver by 1) walking or boat 2) horseback and carriage 3) smoke signals (signaling) 4) By engine, train, car, airplane 5) radio, phone, telex, telefax 6) Internet. The web is replacing paper. But there will be good and bad journalists, modern and traditional journos in the future as well. What has really changed? There are more opportunities (technology has empowered) and probably more competition. But the web is also adding the number of information consumers. The market is increasing and changing. Where is the limit? Time per day each individual can spend to consume information.
4 days, 14 hours ago by visualradio.
@visualradio I think it's important to recognize that the Internet is also becoming a place for doing journalism. Seeing it as only a delivery channel misesses that.
4 days, 5 hours ago by pe3.
@karde Well, it's not a crisis for you but it definitely is for many 'traditional' journalists and news outlets, as they struggle (even refuse!) to adapt to the internet.
On a slightly different note, I attended the Colophon magazine conference (www.colophon2007.com) last year and it was interesting how the participants patted themselves on the back for resisting the internet (many barely had websites) and putting out expensive (and gorgeous) magazines in print. I wonder if all breaking news will completely migrate online – since it is so much faster, cheaper and easier to disseminate news that way – and print will be exclusively used for 'luxury' media such expensive art magazines. I guess the continued success of tabloids would argue against this...
3 days, 17 hours ago by pr1001.
I think the luxurization (is that an actual word?) of magazines is a trend. Look at the Monocle: it's actually a book more than a magazine. OTOH, they have pretty good site, too...
3 days, 16 hours ago by Karde.
@karde I think you're right, though people who are openly elitist about it rub me the wrong way. I mean, while things are moving in that direction, I think it's unimaginative to just throw up your hands and declare that you don't want to sell more than 5000 copies per issue ever or have an (expensive) Apple ad – all things people said at the conference. I wouldn't exactly count Monocle in that group...
3 days, 14 hours ago by pr1001.